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Welcome to \"No BS Bureaucracy,\" your entertaining guide to local government technology and policy. Hosted by Mike Sarasti and Mark Wheeler, two former big-city CIOs who are anything but typical tech guys, this podcast ditches dry formalities for real talk about what works versus what’s just hype. Mike and Mark break it down with a blend of hard-earned wisdom and humor that’s more John Oliver than a civics teacher who’s given up caffeine.

Mike, Miami’s first Chief Innovation Officer, and Mark, Philly’s first Chief Geographic Information Officer, aren't just any bureaucrats—they’re creatives and community builders who found their way into technology. Mike’s a musician in the indie electronic/alt-pop band Raker, and Mark’s an improv actor, so you know things won’t be boring. Their unique blend of expertise and creativity makes for lively and always insightful conversations. Think of a \"Real Time with Bill Maher\" panel with Leslie Knope from “Parks and Recrea"}],["$","meta","8",{"property":"og:url","content":"https://www.radiotub.com/podcasts/station/3262670"}],["$","meta","9",{"property":"og:site_name","content":"RadioTub"}],["$","meta","10",{"property":"og:locale","content":"en_US"}],["$","meta","11",{"property":"og:image","content":"https://www.radiotub.com/api/og?title=No+BS+Bureaucracy&subtitle=Mark+Wheeler+and+Mike+Sarasti&badge=PODCAST&image=https%3A%2F%2Fstorage.buzzsprout.com%2Fhx15ofywtsa6w6z6dwokvq00fk7q%3F.jpg"}],["$","meta","12",{"property":"og:type","content":"website"}],["$","meta","13",{"name":"twitter:card","content":"summary_large_image"}],["$","meta","14",{"name":"twitter:title","content":"No BS Bureaucracy | RadioTub Podcasts"}],["$","meta","15",{"name":"twitter:description","content":"